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A word from Boating America Author Mark Cameron, 
I have always been an avid boat fan. I've spent many summers in Michigan
(Traverse City area) and enjoyed having a good aluminum 12 foot row boat
to row around in. I used a little Johnson 3 hp. motor (that my grandfather
let me use). Not exactly a fast moving boat but hey! I was only 12. Then
came the 15 Hp. 1955 Evinrude that I still to this day have sitting in
the garage, ( I have it stashed behind an old toy barn that my son has
been nagging me to refurbish) . This old monster last ran in 1982 and I
am scared to death that it may never start again if and when I get it out.
But in the old days it got me up to 18 miles per hour on that 12 foot row
boat. It even pulled me water skiing! Then because of family reasons I
didn't go back to Michigan until 94. After 11 years worth of trips to Myrtle
Beach and a brief sprint to the Caribbean and Hawaii, I realized I missed
spending time on the water with complete control of my own craft (The bug
Returns). June 20th 1994 I broke down and bought my first 18 foot open
bow ski boat. I had looked and looked and picked up a phone book size worth
of pamphlets at boat shows and even figured up different payments, interest
and price ranges. Then I walked in the show room that morning and looked
at a boat that I had been eyeing, went to the sales person that I had been
driving crazy for better then two years, and said "write it up".
Ok its only an 18 foot but it is small enough for the kind of inland
lakes and rivers I like and its big enough for the kids and I without going
overboard on HP. limits. It is a Kentucky based manufacturer and it uses
the ever famous Mercrusier outdrive in the 3.0 litre 4 cylinder format.
Its a first boat, low payment, low insurance and light enough for the van
to idle it out of the water. I can get up to 40 miles per hour on a ski
prop but I generally stay at a 20 - 30 miles per hour speed.
I pulled into the Marine dealership that following morning ready to
pick up the boat and brought the kids with me (not telling them what I
was up to I might add). My daughter 8 and son 5 just thought it was just
another trip to a dealer which I was sure they found boring until we went
back to the van and the boat and trailer were all hooked up. The kids needless
to say were excited probably more than I was.
-First Time Out-
If you remember your first day out with your new boat, or have yet to experience
it, is probably one of the most exciting days of your life, (with the exception
of a wedding day). I pulled the boat to a lake outside of Zanesville, Ohio
just east of Columbus where we bought it. backed it down the ramp for the
first time.... (I suppose your waiting for the ole "I forgot the plug"
story) but luckily the guy in front of me forgot his and I saw him start
to sink while he was floating there. Needless to say I was a prior row
boater and knew about plugs. The other guy managed to jump in the water
and screw it in submerged. My boss at work however sunk his to his carperator.
I felt like a real pro running the blower for the proper five minutes,
checking the life jackets, all brand new right out of the store. I had
the kids buckled up and we were off to the fun of backing down the boat
ramp. All was fine until I realized that I forgot to undo the straps after
noticing the boat was getting a bit deep without floating off the trailer.
Oh well I guess it was just as embarrassing. I pulled back out, disconnected
all the straps and off to her maiden voyage on Dillon Lake . With the non-alcoholic
bottle of bubbly broken over the bow we were off. The boaters happiest
day of his life!
They say its the happiest day when they sell the boat too! But now nearly
two years later, each day I take the cover off with a full 30 gallon gas
tank I still feel just as happy! That day on Dillon lasted about two hours
when our first raging thunderstorm came along. We made a quick run for
the van and I backed the trailer down the ramp and spent the entire down-pour
trying to get lined up for the trailer (not bad considering the high winds).
After about 20-minutes I was up out of the water, engine up, drain out
and ready with the towels. Then on the way through Zanesville a light suddenly
changed and I couldn't stop in time and I could say it was my first written
warning pulling a trailer. It doesn't end there, I headed to visit a friend
and while trying to get situated backing up, a drunk driver came flying
down the road out of nowhere and I heard this sickening "screech". Fortunately
he only nicked the trailer, but I couldn't say much about his car! He got
out and looked at his car, turned to me, he looked mad and a bit dis-oriented,
(It was dark and I technically had the high beams on by accident and he
didn't see the trailer while I was backing) and he asked me who was going
to pay for the damage to his car. I (with my heart still raging and still
wet from the storm) said, "let me make a phone call, the sheriff should
take a report". I headed for my car phone and he immediately backed down
and ran to his car and took off. Yes he really reeked of alcohol and didn't
to file a report. Needless to say I little touch up paint on the Tennesse
Trailer with the Bearing Buddies did the trick! To this day I still practice
backing without taking up more than my lane.
Not a bad first day, at least the boat wasn't at the bottom of the lake.
I have taken that boat on lake after lake in Michigan, West Virginia and
my home state of Ohio. I also broke my first prop a week later while on
vacation near Traverse City on Torch lake. It happened while trying to
out run a Thunderstorm, that I have been a magnet for lately.
This summer I plan on a relaxing house boat trip on Kentucky's Lake
Cumberland. I have never been there and I am very excited about it!
Favorite Inland Lake Trip:
Chain of Lakes near Traverse City, Michigan. In Elk Rapids 21 miles north
on U.S. 31 a convenient boat ramp near downtown allows you access to both
Lake Michigan on the lower ramp at the marina (one of the best ones I have
visited I might add), and Elk Lake on the upper ramp about a block away.
Its about 60 miles round trip, restaurants and gas stops are available
along the way. South on Elk leads to Lake Skegomog, then you head for the
stumps (there are markings), and look for Torch River. On the way into
Torch River you may watch for the Bald Eagle who sits perched on top of
a dead tree to the west. Its about 5 miles in "no wake" then you come up
on a small town on the south end of the huge inland lake, Torch Lake. Its
also one of the clearest with depth visibility up to 20 feet in some areas
making a depth finder unnecessary. Carefully follow the markings that guides
you out of the river onto the lake. If you venture out of the way you will
hit sand as shallow as a foot 100 yards from shore. Its also a great place
to pop up a volleyball net! Then about 7 miles up torch you want to keep
your eye on the east side of the lake where the valley appears to be and
head into Clam Lake. A nice bar/restaurant sits at the entry point with
reasonable and tasty food. I believe I had a burrito while the kids chowed
on hot dogs. Clam lake is about half to a quarter as wide as the Ohio River
and is a full wake zone. As you head east you will come up on markings
that guide you into Grass River. Be ready to be followed by Ducks and Swans
if your kids happen to have popcorn! (a picture of this locale is used
as a setting for a Four Winds Boat advertisement in their 94' catalog).
Grass river (no wake) takes you into the wilderness for several brief moments
between the occasional houses but is one of the most beautiful parts of
the trip. We stopped along the way and did some swimming. After about 8
or 9 miles its onto Lake Bellaire. By now you will be along way from Elk
Rapids. Lake Bellaire is surrounded by houses on scarce lake front property.
Its not big enough to generate large waves and is therefore great for skiing.
Be careful when entering from Grass River, stay straight for about 400
yards and you are set!. You can actually retrailer onto Intermediate Lake
(above the Dam in Bellaire in Antrim County) and go up several more lakes
including Six Mile and Wilson.
If you like to Fish, this will be one long troll you will never forget.
On Grass River it was as easy as casting the rod!
Back in Elk Rapids we caught up with a couple whom had made the trip
on Jet Skis. I used about 15 gallons of fuel, and still had enough for
the rest of the vacation. Lodging is expensive in the Traverse City area
in July but the best time seems to be in June when the weather (at least
it seems) to be drier then, and with less expensive rooms available.
The Best: Grand Traverse Resort Hotel
Budget: Many National Chains ie. Super 8 etc.
Slips: Elk River Inn has several located in Elk Rapids on Elk Lake.
Homely: There are still a few Ma, Pa run cottages available in the area
some people have been going to for years and years (which my grandparents
use to run as well). Check the Grand Traverse area of Commerce for such
a listing.
Also if you like the big stuff, Grand Traverse's Bay offers shelter
from the Lake Michigan roughness and a suggested stop is Suttons bay and
North Port on the west bay area. The weather changes quickly and I recommend
a Marine Radio for Lake Michigan.
I know this is getting long, but this is one of many stories I find
myself getting into with many other boaters that are shut in for the winter,
except in the south. If you have any experiences on exciting all day boating
trips or Great Lake Crossings, Waterways etc., E-Mail me your experiences
and I will post them. Also be sure to check out boaters news groups which
I have posted on the "Links Page".
Mark Cameron
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Subject: Paintsville Lake Ky.
Date: Jul 97 20:45:59 +0000
From: boataholic@aol.com NAME : Mike Justus,,,,Delaware, OH
To: Mark-Cameron@worldnet.att.net
Kentucky Wonder! Paintsville Lake
My family and I, along with another couple, had the opportunity to discover
Paintsville Lake in June of this year. Oh, what a gem we found! The lake
is located in eastern Kentucky near the town of Paintsville and only about
4 miles off Rt. 23. It is approximately 200 miles from Columbus or about
4 to 4 1/2 hrs driving time, depending on stops. The lake is not real large
at 1,100 acres but it is approx. 20 miles long to its most navigable point.
In fact, the term lake is somewhat of a misnomer because after you get
approximately 3 miles above the dam, it narrows down considerably to more
resemble a river. A deep river....depths in the channel were often 75’
or more. The lake is not for the go fast types, with its twisting “S”
turns and narrow areas, it's more for the cruiser that likes to take it
slow and enjoy the sights. There are quite a few bass fishermen fishing
the drop-offs along the entire length. I recommend you slow down to a no
wake speed when passing them. We discovered that after coming up and down
off plane so much to avoid disturbing them with our wake, that it was easier
just to cruise the entire length at no wake speed. The lake appears to
receive very little traffic from out of state visitors. I was amazed at
how little boat traffic there was for a summer weekend. Although there
are houseboats-both private and rentals- at the marina, we saw only one
houseboat out on the lake all weekend. Most of what traffic there was appeared
to be fishing boats and pontoons. There is one launch ramp at the dam near
the lakes only marina. The ramp is very good and not steep at all. After
launching our boats, we skirted a large island near the dam and proceeded
to the nearest swim cove for lunch and a swim. The water was clear and
refreshing! After a few hours we decided to push on toward the upper reaches
of the lake. As the lake narrowed down , we began to appreciate the hidden
beauty of this jewel. We motored by miles of rocky limestone bluffs complete
with caves, overhangs and huge boulders. We gazed at the oaks, cedars and
rhododendrons clinging tenaciously to these cliffs. I wondered how many
bass the fallen trees at the base of these rocks held. If you could picture
cruising through the Hocking Hills cave area in your boat, it would be
a similar experience! We arrived at a fork in the lake and headed up the
portside branch. We quickly found an uninhabited cove, set the hook and
rafted off each other. We took turns using the wave runner to explore further
from our “base camp”. I discovered a pristeen small
cove with a waterfall spilling over the craggy rocks at one end, surrounded
by a thick grove of wild rhododendron. I mentally marked that spot for
a future anchorage! After supper aboard, we enjoyed a nice evening swim
and enjoyed the tranquility of our quite little cove. Saturday brought
more great weather and another day of exploring all of the lake’s
nooks and crannies. We departed Sunday, beating a thunderstorm, but vowed
to come back to this beautiful place. It was truly a trailerboaters dream!
EMAIL : boataholic@aol.com NAME : Mike Justus,,,,Delaware, OH
Thanks Mike for the mail, I dropped this in the techniques because of
the idea of base camping and running politely around bass fisherman. This
lake sounds great, I hope to launch in down there sometime soon. Take care
and happy boating this summer! -Mark
Subject: Advice and Question
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 97 20:45:59 +0000
From: John Kimbrough <John_Kimbrough@adoc.xerox.com>
To: Mark-Cameron@worldnet.att.net
Mark:
I enjoyed reading your experience, as well as many of the others, and the
Gilligan's Island theme song on your home page is a classic !!!
As for my personal experiences, I have to say mine have been flawless to
date, however I have only had my boat a short time. I have seen other boaters
who have traveled great distances and forgot to bring the keys to their
boat with them and then trying to "hot-wire" their boats on the launch
ramp I strongly recommend to folks (especially those who are known to forget
things from time to time) to keep a second set of keys hidden in your towing
vehicle at all times.
Also, Do you know of any good sources for purchasing discount outboard
motor parts via catalogs. I have a 1987 Force 125HP OB which I' planning
to rebuild this coming winter.
John Kimbrough A California Waters Boater
I lost one of my keys once after ramping onto a river just above a small
dam. After shoving off we started drifting towards the dam (which is a
non controlled water fall type I forget the technical name) I wound up
hot wiring the boat rather than fighting the current with oars. I had about
300 yards to spare. Now I start my boat while on the trailer and back off,
doing away with the "getting shoved off without keys problem". The advice
is well taken, I keep a spare key in my wallet for that just in case scenario.
I haven't come across any parts catalogs for motors, there are exhaust
manifolds for many engines (which usually fail after two years when used
heavily in salt water) so your best bet is to contact your Force dealer,
they may have a parts shop type of catalog that you may be able to order
from or at least be able to supply you with the necessary rings and valve
replacement parts, or whatever else you may need to rebuild. Good luck
this winter ! -Mark
Subject: need info with pontoon boat
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 97 17:37:03 +0000
From: "mike miller" <saftysrv@gte.net>
Reply-To: <@gte.net>
To: <Mark-Cameron@worldnet.att.net>
thanks mark for your usefull info on boating just found your site today.
I have a 1977 24 foot Landau pontoon with a 90 hp johnson engine ob. my
question is i need a owners manual for this boat or address or phone number
for Landau. also i use this boat/motor in salt water ( Tampa bay area )
every week end ,how should i rinse this off ? i do trailer in and out each
wkend thanks mike miller
I would recommend contacting http://www.bysnet.com/portside/
for a Landau dealer for your Pontoon. They may have the recommended manuals.
When running in salt water part time I would suggest flushing the engine
as soon as you pull it out. Also hose down the entire water exposed craft
which will rinse the salt off and will reduce the speed of the erosion.
Make sure that before you put in salt water that you make sure all your
throttle and stirring cables are well lubricated to reduce exposure to
the salt water air and any splashes. Good luck and see out on Tampa Bay
sometime! (where my picture above was taken) :) . -Mark
Subject: Thanks
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 97 21:03:19 +0000
From: Kf4dxh@aol.com
To: Mark-Cameron@worldnet.att.net
Thanks Mark, I just had a very enjoyable "first launch" Expereince with
the used boat I purchased, just a few days ago. Everything went smooth,
and everything worked properly.( I did have to make two attempts at the
ramp while backing up though). Just wanted to comment to you how the tips
on your page were very helpfull to me. Thanks a lot for the info, and I'll
be checking your page on a regular basis for more "how to's" Stan Parnell,
Charlotte, NC
Glad to hear it worked out, the backing up is the hardest part! -Mark
Subject: Boat Launch Courtesy
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 97 22:06:29 +0000
From: STV96@aol.com
To: Mark-Cameron@worldnet.att.net
Mark, The one thing about a boat launch is that it is where you start and
finish your boating enjoyment. Here are some do's and don'ts. Never pull
up to the ramp, shut off your truck, and start to take off your cover,
move fishing gear from the truck to the boat, ect. Do that in the parking
lot first then pull up to the boat ramp, even if there is no one at the
ramp when you first pull up, someone may arrive later that is ready to
roll. Never rush the person in front of you, even if they are unloading
there truck. Boats range in price from $500.00 to above $100,000.00 and
so does the experience of that person in front of you, they may be nervous
about there first launch or it's a new boat to them and they are not familiar
with it yet and they need more time. If you offer help make sure that they
actually want help, some people are just slower than others. Some people
like to power their boats onto the trailer, that is a very effective way
to load your boat but don't over rev the engine because it causes prop
wash, (the big drop off at the edge of the ramp). I hope these tips help
make the next boating trip a enjoyable time for everyone.
I agree 100 %. Especially on a busy Sunday! Running too much power
while pulling onto the trailer can also cause small groups of fish to be
pulled into the prop wash causing a deadly situation for the fish. A little
thrust is all you need, otherwise back the trailer in a little more. Thanks
for your input! -Mark
Subject: What can I do?
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 97 03:55:33 +0000
From: ParMan2@aol.com
To: Mark-Cameron@worldnet.att.net
I bought an 81 Whaler from a friend who had left it in the water long enough
to grow a small oyster bed on the bottom. The boat has been out of the
water for 2-3 years, and these shells just refuse to come off. A putty
knife can get some...but not all. I know I will need some work on the bottom,
but is there any way I can get most if not all of the shells off prior
to taking it to the fiberglass shop so my cost may be reduced?
You may want to try a high power car wash type of spray but with a lot
more pressure. Also check your marine store for legal chemicals that won't
harm fiberglass that will help soak the items off. Different states have
different chemicals available. If all else fails I would then ask the fiberglass
specialist about sanding it off and relaying layers of fiberglass coated
with epoxy. Once you are back in the water and if you don't trailer regularly
it would be a good idea to wipe the boat down including the entire hull
and engine compenents regularly to clear away the build up. Its easy to
take up snorkeling and go under the hull on smaller boats while anchored
off a cosy beach and use a mop type of handle to clean it off. If the weather
is too cold I would recommend trailering it to clean it off regularly.
Also don't forget to check into antifouling paint (avaialble in many areas
of the U.S.).
-Mark
Subject: Hydrofoil Stabilizer
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 97 02:57:41 +0000
From: "tim.conley" <tim.conley@internetmci.com>
To: Mark Cameron <Mark-Cameron@worldnet.att.net>
Mark-great page! Lot's of great tips and suggestions useful to a variety
of boaters. I commend you on your detailed answers. You apparently do your
homework!
I have a 21ft Raven Cuddy Cabin. We use it for a variety of activities.
One of which being wake-boarding and knee boarding. These activities require
slower speeds of 18-22mph. Problem is this: My boat consistenly falls off
plane. It will maintain in very calm waters but, even a small boat wake
will cause it to come off plane. Continually adjusting the throttle is
a hastle. The boat is equipped with a Mercruiser I/O and an Alpha I outdrive.
I am considering putting a hydrofoil-stablizer on to correct this problem..Do
you think it will? Perhaps I should invest in trim-tabs (personally I think
the boat is too small for trim-tabs)? Does the stabilizer have any side-effects?
One more thing: My wife and I are going to the NC Outerbanks for a week-long
cruise. What sort of extra engine parts would you recommend for this trip?
Thanks in advance!
Tim Conley
I wouldn't invest in trim tabs for your particular size of boat, but
the hydrofoil will help reduce the speed you need to reach to get up in
plane by a couple of miles per hour. Unfortunately you are running at speeds
that just begin to put the boat up on a steady plane, especially at 18
miles per hour. With a lighter weight load it will be more steady at 18,
but drop off when you are hauling passengers beyond your spotter. At speeds
of 22 (with a hydro add on kit) you should wipe out the problem all together.
If you are still encountering speed changes you may want to change your
prop to a new pitch giving you more revolutions at the same speeds (this
will cut down in your top end however). As far as your trip to the outer
banks, you should have a marine radio, the usual safety gear, plenty of
food in case of engine problems, a GPS or Loranz and good charts that indicate
marinas and fueling stops. Thanks for the compliment on the site and have
fun on your trip ! -Mark
Subject: Your Page
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 97 00:18:51 +0000
From: jsg22@frognet.net
To: Mark-Cameron@worldnet.att.net
HI MARK LAST YEAR I PURCHASED A SIMILAR RUNABOUT WITH THE 3 LITER 4 CYLINDER
MERCRUISER COMBINATION THAT YOU STATED IN YOUR LETTER. WITH ONE SEASON
UNDER OUR BELTS AS THE OWNER OF THIS NEW BOAT WE FOUND THAT IT EASILY MET
OUR NEEDS AS A DEPENDABLE FAMILY BOAT CAPABLE OF INLAND LAKE CRUISING AND
TOWING WATER TOYS. YOUR LETTER WAS REFRESHING IN ITS TREATMENT OF THE COST
FACTORS RELATING TO BOAT OWNERSHIP BASED ON BOATING USAGE AND NOT STRICTLY
ON APPEARANCES. IN REGARDS TO THE AWKWARD BOATING MOMENTS I WILL ADMIT
TO TEARING UP ONE PROP, PULLING THE BOAT OUT OF THE WATER WITH THE LOWER
UNIT DOWN ONCE, AND VARIOUS DEMONSTRATIONS OF HOW NOT TO LAUNCH AND RETRIEVE
A BOAT. YOUR PLANS FOR LAKE CUMBERLAND SOUND GREAT, WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD
TAKING OUR BOAT DOWN TO ROUGH RIVER RESERVOIR IN KENTUCKY THIS SUMMER.
GOOD LUCK FRED
There are thousands like us huh Fred ! Let me know how the Rough River
Reservoir turns out, have a great 97!
Subject: First Mate's Advice
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 97 04:18:22 +0000
From: "N. Sando" <nsando@vivanet.com>
To: Mark-Cameron@worldnet.att.net
Just found your page and really like it. In response to some letters asking
for advice on putting the boat in the water, docking, etc. - this First
Mate's first piece of advice to all the "Captains" out there is DO NOT
yell (scream, holler, swear) when engaging in any boating activity. It
can make the crew want to mutiny! We now have our second boat and both
try to remain as cool, calm, and collected as we can - even when things
go wrong. It takes some practice. Somtimes for entertainment these days,
we sit on the dock by the launch ramps and watch other people - I think
there might be a book in it! Seriously, boating is fun and relaxing once
you find some ways to deal with the inevitable frustrations. So, if you're
new to boating - might we worth discussing with your mate before you put
that boat in the water.
I have heard of people sitting back for a full Sunday afternoon of entertainment
down at the boat ramps! Its true, about discussing the process with your
mate, and even practicing on a slow launch day. I have seen this demonstrated
by a fishing club here in Columbus that meets on some Tuesdays where around
50 boats launch on four ramps in less time then it takes 8 to 10. One in
the boat while the vehicle backs down, tilts engine in while hitting the
water, starts engine, releases boat backs off, all while the trailer is
moving backwards, brakes are hit and the truck pulls forward and the boat
is out and away from the ramp and over to tempoary tie up, all in a matter
of seconds. The traffic keeps moving, try that on a Sunday sometime! A
little practice can gain a lot of speed and respect from for anyone waiting
behind any boater!. Have fun next summer ! -Mark
Subject: Fresh or salt Date:
Tue, 3 Dec 96 00:50:04 +0000
From: Perry Rivkind <par@flash.net>
To: Mark-Cameron@worldnet.att.net
Mark, One more guestion please. Hampton Roads.Is the James River fresh
water.As I indicated to you in my last letter my boat will be in a slip
on that river.Just wanted to know that I don't have to flush the engine
and concern myself with corrosion if it's on fresh water. Thanks again
for your great advice. Perry
Perry that water is "brine" which is fresh water saturated with salt.
You should still flush for least amount of corrision. Even flushing on
freshwater lakes is good practice to remove sand and mud which can build
up in the engine. Your plans on the boat with the 200 HP OB engine should
be easy to flush while even tilted out of the water (unlike stern drives).
Some stern drive models have radiators that have coolant just like cars
and don't cool with raw sea water. These units are popular with many salt
water boaters since you have less engine corision with this setup. If you
switch to stern drive model, check into this kind of cooling system. Local
Marine dealers in Virginia are more than friendly when it comes to advice!
-Mark.
Subject: advice
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 96 18:11:09 +0000
From: Perry Rivkind <par@flash.net>
To: Mark-Cameron@worldnet.att.net
Mark, I'm moving to Hampton Roads,Va. and plan to buy a boat.I'm interested
in fishing, cruising the rivers and ocean in that area.It's all water up
there.Interested in a 23' Sunbird neptune cabin 230.It weighs 4100 lbs..
and will be in a boat slip on the James river.Want to use it in the winter,
thats why I want a cabin.First,do I need the bottem painted and is this
the appropriate boat for the described uses and area. It also holds a 130
gals.of gas and has a 200 OB Johnson.It's just my wife and me.She wants
me to buy a smaller open type boat.Says its less work.Appreciate your advice.
Perry
The size of boat you are looking at is fine but be careful of bad weather!.
I have been in the Hampton Roads area in January and as for the winter
boating you should be fine. I would keep an eye out for cold weather patterns
and watch water temperatures just in case of freezing problems, winters
there do have a few cold spells, mostly ice though. Have a trailer handy
in case of a real hard freeze, you could pull out and drain the necessary
items, bilge etc. A cabin boat does require more work as far as winterizing,
especially with holding tanks. You should store fresh water tanks with
an RV type of antifreeze that is safe for the environment, and as far as
the winter cabin goes, skip the bathroom / shower (if equipped) until March.
Your wife is right as far as smaller boats go, they are easier, but a true
boating hobbiest won't mind a little extra work!. The bottom paint is a
must. Anti fowling paint (if I have that spelled correctly) will help prevent
organisims from building up on the bottom of the boat and ultimately give
you continued easy planes when running at higher speeds, especailly if
it sits at a slip instead of on a trailer. Spend the extra money, its worth
it!. -Mark
One more question Mark.I get differant stories on the question of MPG.What
MPG could I expect on a 4000 lb.Neptune Sunbird Cuddy with a 200 HP Johnson
traveling at 28MPH ? This boat holds 130 Gallons of gas. Thanks again,
Perry Rivkind
Boat fuel is measured in miles per gallon and / or gallons per hour,
it would peak at about 25 or 30 or so depending on torque etc, so at that
speed you might get about 2.5 miles per gallon or around 10-12 gallons
per hour. Not the Geo Metro type of mileage, but the lighter the boat the
more fuel miles it would have. You should go about 13 hours on a tank,
unless your loaded down with passangers, or 120-140 miles. I suggest go
out 1/3 then turn around and come back on the 2/3, leave yourself a good
1/3 tank for bad weather, currents or god forbid, emergencies. -Mark
Subject: Winter Storage
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 96 19:42:59 +0000
From: KRossi6064@aol.com
To: Mark-Cameron@worldnet.att.net
Hi , I have 1970 Evinrude outboard 85 horsepower,what can I do to winterize
the engine that I am storing it and the boat on my driveway??Please let
me know about it soon as possible!!!!!
Outboards are easier to winterize than I/Os so here are a few tips,
of course you should always refer to a manual. Most people will hook up
the engine to a water hose using cups (available for about 4 dollars at
Walmart) start the engine and squirt oil into the carberator for a few
minutes and then stalling it out. The smoke it generates coats the entire
inside of the engine and exhaust helping to reduce rust. Others may take
out each of the plugs and squirt oil in the cylinders and turn over the
crank a few times (if a hose isn't available). Next take the battery out
and clean the contacts, remove the tank and stablize any stored fuel (with
a stabilizer available at most marine and auto stores (on I/Os pour some
in your tank on your last outting so it gets into the fuel line as well).
Next obtain the proper gear oil (I use Quick Silver High Performance on
mine), and open the screw on the lower part of the engine just above the
skeg where it drains the gear oil. Also open the top screw this will help
all the oil to drain out. This is a great time to remove any water that
may be in the casing and eliminate a chance for cracking from ice. The
process is slow but worth it. Then pump oil in from the bottom with a gear
oil pump (available at all marine dealers). When the oil reaches the top
hole you are done (newer boats with reservoirs need to be topped off as
well). Remove the pump, pump some into the top (which the level may be
a little low with a few air bubbles), and your gear oil is changed!. Next
I recommend storing the trailer in a tilted postion so any moisture will
run out the back, and leave the drain hole unplugged. (some boats have
exhuast manifolds that must be drained for winter storing or pumped with
anti freeze, other should have an anti freeze change depending on the type
of I/O unit). Next Jack the trailer so the wheels don;t get a flat spot,
check your trailer bearings, re torque your lug nuts, and lube any necessary
parts (ie. power tilt if applicable, check reservoir). You may also want
to coat your steering lines and throttle linkages with special lube 101
(some use WD40) to make sure the lines are working properly. Plan to spend
an afternoon and then in the spring you will be ready to be back out on
the lake by hooking up the tank and battery and you're set. -Mark
Subject: Hello, I have a wee tip.
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 96 00:35:11 +0000
From: david richardson <"richardsonm@voyager.net"@voyager.net>
Organization: MMC
To: Mark-Cameron@worldnet.att.net
For those who have a three chamber boat (like my 18ft 4 winns w/ 55hp johnson),
and forgot to put the plug in - you need not worry. If your boat has more
than one air chamber (where the rainwater usually goes) and you forgot
the plug, just take the boat out and run it at a fast clip (faster is better),
thus the water will drain to the stern drain hole and the momentum will
force most of the water out - this may take a while (depending on how long
you noticed the water sneaking in). And after you get most of the water
out, get to the back and plug the hole while your still cruising - this
is the only way I now of to get the water out (if you've already left the
dock). I learned this from my uncle on Pentwater lake - I guess it happened
to him:) I live close to Silver Lake (Silver Lake Sand Dunes) and am pretty
much surrounded by lakes - Pentwater lake is 11 miles from here. Dave
I have seen that experience more than once even on personal watercraft.
If you have enough time and are not weighed down by too much water on the
boat you can usually get up to plane and with a little trim you can nose
up and dump out the water, especially helpful along with the bilge pump.
I strongly recommend to trailer the boat unless you have the plug with
you and in that case pull up on a beach where you're not in mud and then
screw it in. Other wise if you are weighed down its bucket time or swim!
-Mark
Subject: boating questions
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 96 17:28:23 +0000
From: Clay Ross <rossdc1@concentric.net>
To: Mark-Cameron@worldnet.att.net
Mark,
I just ran upon your page and I think it's great! I recently bought a 17'
1976 Winner 120hp I/O. It's an older boat, but we were assured by the dealer
that it was really in great condition (I really had no choice but to take
his word for it). Now, you must understand, this is our first boat and
my wife or I know nearly nothing about boating, but we figured we would
learn as we go. We took it to one of the area lakes last weekend (we live
in the Kansas City Area) in hopes of christening it with a fabulous weekend
of boating. Needless to say, we had a very bad day with it. Alot of our
troubles had to do with flooding the engine, the inability to back the
trailer, trouble putting the boat in the water, taking the boat out of
the water and keeping the boat running while in the water. The boat would
die when I throttled down quickly from full to idle, and we wouldn't be
able to get it started again, three of us ended up paddling back about
1.5 miles to the boat dock with one paddle and 2 water skis. I am sure
it was a funny sight for anyone watching (I am sure I would have laughed
myself silly had I been watching), but it was not really that funny to
be a participant. When we got back home my wife wanted me to sell the boat.
I was wondering if you could post a beginners guide to boating, all the
basic's of what to do and NOT to do, and a guide for those that know nothing
about baoting who want to buy a boat. Thanks in advance. And thank you
for your page.
Clay Ross Shawnee, Kansas
I have heard of first experiences like these many times. I think you
may want to tune up your engine however, it shouldn't stall during a complete
stop from a full throttle. Have all your filters and the timing checked.
A new set of plugs and wires would help decrease gas consumption. As far
as backing the boat, a secret to the first time out is to take it out on
a weekday by yourself or with a first mate and get the feel of backing,
launching, trailering and operation (weekdays are great for this, there
is never anyone around to watch you make a few mistakes). Then you will
have a feel of whats coming up when the whole family and friends are there
watching the christening. In your case I would reschedule the christening,
after a couple of pratice runs and a tune up! I must admit one thing
I did do last summer as far as stalling goes, I was running my 18ft open
bow out on Grand Traverse Bay when the weather was changing, causing some
3-5 foot waves to roll in. I hooked up my safety cut-off switch to my belt
and managed to take the boat out to the Old Mission Light House, about
6 miles from Elk Rapids. We got out to the tip, staying about 500 yards
from shore to avoid the Shoals (rocks), and when I stood up after stopping
the engine cut off. I was thinking to my self and caused concern to my
kids, that the engine wouldn't restart and we will have to drift back to
shore which may take hours. Then I remembered the cutoff switch, and luckily
got the now flooded engine started. Fortunately I had a cellular phone
and a GPS along to call for help in case the waves got any worse. I rarely
boat on Lake Michigan, I like to stay more inland, but my oldest daughter
had to see that lighthouse! (quite spectacular at sunset !).
I will look into developing a new section for first time buyers, and
be sure to ask your wife if she would give it another chance after a few
pratice runs. Also be sure to look into a Boaters Safety course, Good luck
on your next run Clay! -Mark
Subject: References
Date: Tues, 27Aug 96 10:57:00 PDT
From: John Moody (address withheld)
To: "'Mark-Cameron@Worldnet.att.net'" <Mark-Cameron@Worldnet.att.net>
I must admit that my friends and I boat quite frequently. It is a great
time until its time to pull out and then everyone has his or her own idea
of how to trailer the boat at the ramp. Five friends and I were pulling
out of Carter's Lake near Atlanta and we must have spent 15-minutes yelling
at each other, "Back it down, a little more to the right, no left I meant"
etc. Meanwhile a guy pulls up in his boat. Runs to his truck, backs down
the other ramp, runs to the dock, grabs the boat trailers it (we both have
drive up trailers), cranks the winch a few notches and out he goes, in
under 3-minutes. It was another 5 or so for us, and then we forgot to tilt
the engine up when we did pull out. What is the best way to trailer and
untrailer the boat?
John, you need to have your friends take a little walk once its trailer
time. Have one drive the boat up to the trailer once you have dunked and
then have him or her walk it out with you. I find that launching has been
easier by doing it by myself. I back in (after straps and plugs are checked
bower on etc.) and wait to see the back of the boat floating. Then I go
back to the boat and disconnect the winch and back it off, dock and then
park the van. Trailering is easy by yourself when your not busy analysing
suggestions from everyone!. I dock, back the trailer in unitl about 6 inches
of carpet is showing (or top wheels just sticking out for roller models).
Then I drive up and shut the engine down and tilt up. Then I winch the
boat on about a foot or so (occassionally I thrust up when and where its
legal, but thrusting can damage the guide if you hit it too hard, plus
you don't want to make a fish milkshake in case a school of fish happen
to be in the ramp area which is comon in the late summer). I Winch and
I am out of there. Later I strap, drain the engine and remove the drain
plug, wipe down cover and check the bearings, lights, and I am out of there.
Other people have their own methods of trailering such has always having
a first mate around, where two people can save time as long as a method
is discussed a head of time, (I've-seen it done in under 3-minutes). Good
luck John on your next run!
E-Mail
Subject: Your Web Site
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:35:33 EST
From: Socalman35@aol.com
To: Mark-Cameron@boatingamerica.com
Mark,
Found this web site to be fun and informative. Just bought our first boat
(1999 20' IO Bayliner w/4cyl, bowrider)..and found out some interesting
lessons in the "shopping" game of buying boats. First, let me ask...have
not
seen any new entries in your email except one dated Mar 1, 1999..yet nothing
else all year?..anyway...Here's my "first time boat purchaser" story.
When we decided we were going to purchase a boat, our first intentions
were a
used boat..since we were in the $5 to $6K range. We wanted to pay cash,
and
not finance. I bought a "Boat Trader" magazine and started the hunt. We
knew
we wanted an open bow, IO style boat..and something that would hold 8 people
comfortably (as well as legally) since we have 3 kids. All of our friends
have
speed boats..but they only hold 4 or 5 people, they're loud, they're windy,
and there's no where to put an ice chest. Plus, I'm not very mechanically
inclined, and I know everyone who owns a speed boat with automotive engines
are always having to wrench on them...thats not for me. So, we head to
a
used/new boat dealer in our area. We pulled up and were given a price list.
We
liked this, since I don't like salesman following us around anyway. The
boat
that was pictured that originally took us in this dealers direction was
a
wreck. Needed interior work, outside paint..looked plain ugly..for $4,000!
So,
we kept looking. I then talked to a salesman, wanting to pick his brain
about
boats..prices of parts, expense, how do we know how many hours are on the
boat
if there's no meter, whats the plaque in the boat for..is that the legal
limit
of how many people can ride in boat..and if so, how come that 20' boat
says 10
people, and that 20' boat says 6 people?..here are the answers I received,
and
again, I had'nt read a magazine, a book, been in the net or anything.
"Engines...well theres
Volvo and theres Mercruiser. They're both GM
blocks..and if you had a problem, you could buy an engine for about $1200.
The
only difference is the head gaskets..copper instead of regular".
"I've been
selling boats for
30 years here..so I know my stuff"....(this was what the person told me).
The
correct answers are: Engines vary from about $4000 upwards to $12000,
depending on size, and this doesn't include the out drive portion of the
engine, which is another $2000 to $6000. My 4 cylinder Mercruiser with
Alpha 1
out drive is $6200 to replace. Marine engines are high performance parts..from
valves, cranks, pistons, rings and Marine sealed starter, alternators
exhaust...all that. They are higher performance, stronger
engines than automobiles..simply because they are designed to run at much
higher
rpms than a car, because most boats don't have transmissions.
The answer I was given
about the amount of people was: "Thats just a
number
they have to put on the boat for coast guard purposes, but you can put
more".
Some
boats just put a larger number than others, and charge more for their
boats"..The
real answer: The yellow plaque is mandated by coast guard on all boats
under
26' (I believe) and is 2 things. The boat can stay afloat for 72 hours
with
the posted amount
of weight or persons after being submerged..it will still float. It is
also
the maximum amount of people you can put in the boat..period. Same size
boats
are rated differently, because some are built better...therefore tests
show
they can withstand more weight/bodies for the 72 hours submerged test than
other boats. This is important...because it can help determine the quality
of
a manufacturor.
Why no meter?...salesman
said its not required..but really doesn't
mean much. Well, its true, its not required..but it is better to find a
used
boat that does have a meter on it. You can also tell by the carpet wear
and
tear....its a help, but not scientific.
When we accidently priced
some new boats (while next door looking at
more
used boats at another lot)..we decided it was worth it to buy new. Some
rumors
of brands and engines I heard at the boat show...Bayliner is a lower end
built
boat..and was built poorly prior to 95. They used Volvo/Penta systems..which
arent as good as Mercruiser (well this might be true..since Mercruiser
run
about 8% higher in price). The older (pre 95) Bayliners hold 5 or 6 people
(19
to 20") which was true. The outside jell coats were cheap and fade...again,
true..look at any 5 year or older Bayliner. Well...I am happy to say, that
with alot of research and asking questions of the "competition"...they
all
seem to say some good, and obvious things about this brand of boat. Bayliner
moved to the better engine system, they've fixed the gell coat problem,
and
they are better built, because now my 20' tested to hold 9 people, as rated
on
the yellow plaque.
Things I did'nt like about
buying this boat...after I paid? There is
no where to store the bimini top, and the bars do not fold. The trailer
came
with no spare. The kits I purchased from the dealer (coast guard kit, anchor
kit, bumper kit) cost less to buy the items from the dealer individually,
than
as a kit, and about 50% cheaper to buy them at a Walmart, Kmart, or any
sporting goods store.
So, if your thinking of
buying a boat...read alot, ask alot of
questions, and make them take you for a test drive. Oh, by the way..the
brand
new boat, with trailer and tax..was just over $12k...we think this was
a
steal..we'll let you know in 5 years!
Thanks for your input. I have always purchased my boats new, this way
you know where they have been and how they are being cared for. The prices
you quoted on the engines are reflecting brand new prices, keep in mind
if you have a failure in a used engine the best thing to do is resort to
rebuilding the engine or purchase a rebuilt engine and or outdrive (which
ever needs to be replaced). Otherwise its makes more sense to just
buy a new boat. The warranty is always a plus too. -Mark
Subject: No Subject
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 12:54:28 EST
From: Riverrtgrl@aol.com
Hi! I just purchased a Eliminator 250XP Eagle cuddy/bow rider.
The two
engines that I narrowed it down to were the Mercruiser 454 and 502.
The 502
is only 30 hp more but about $9,000.00 more in price. I was wondering
if the
502 performs that much better than the 454 because of the significant price
difference. Is the gas mileage going to be much different?
What is your
opinion on these two engines? I am having a very difficult deciding
on this
matter. Thank you for your advice.
Joanne
If you want to be the fastest, have more punch when towing skiers, and
enjoy that extra power when you need it, the few extra dollars is worth
it as long as your budget allows it. You will drink gas faster but mostly
at extreme speeds. Standard just above wake speeds (20 - 25 knots) will
not make much of any difference. Your resale percentage value
will be better as well. On the other hand if you are not out to be
the fastest, rarely tow or carry several passangers, and run frequently
on rough waters, then you may want to save and go with the smaller engine,
(since probably you won't be using the higher end rpms as much). Your resale
percentage however will be slightly lower. Both engines are reliable
from my experiences, however break them in by varying your speed for the
first 20 hours or so of running time. I have known a few BAJA dealers who
have gunned a new engine and burned out the gears on the outdrive
in undcr one hour of break-in.. Still under warranty but brings on
delays which can ruin a boating trip. -Mark
Mark, Just purchased a 1988 Grady White with a 1988 Mercury 175hp outboard.
After running at about 4000 rpm for about thirty minutes the engine started
to lose power like it was going to stall. I reduced the rpm to 2000 and
i made it back to the dock on the way I tried several times to increase
the speed and the speed would increase for a few seconds and then decrease
again. Any suggestions on what the problem might be. Thanks
for any help that you can provide.
It sounds like the fuel filter. Higher speeds drink fuel faster, if
the filter picked up anything in the tank it would have clogged and slowed
the engine down, slowing down drinks less fuel and therefore cleared up.
Fuel filters are relatively inexpensive and should be changed every year.
Also check fuel/oil mixture and related equipment and timing, (though timing
would slow down instantly at higher speeds), also rotor and or point related
ingnition. Good Luck ! -Mark
Subject: prop replacement
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:28:38 -0400
From: Izzy <jal-izzy@phillynet.com>
To: Mark-Cameron@boatingamerica.com
Being new to boating I have a dinged up prop that needs to be replaced.
I
have a 1988 23' Donzi with a merc Crusier Alpha 1 outboard powered with
an
OMC 260. I have the prop and a prop wrench, but no knowledge as to what
to
do. Can you help or tell me where to go.( please be kind when telling me
where to go )
Regards,
Izzy Barish
Changing a prop is simple. Simply use the prop wrench to pry back the
three or so metal retainers (that are bent forward
to prevent the nut from spinning) and then put the wrench on the nut
and unscrew it counter clockwise while holding the prop from spinning.
Be sure to note the order that the parts come off, checking for fishing
line between the prop and the washers. Just put the new or repaired prop
on in reverse order. The wrench makes it easy and can be done in just a
few minutes. -Mark
Subject: More Hp from 3.0 Mercruiser
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 09:43:19 EDT
From: RBBertrand@aol.com
To: Mark-Cameron@boatingamerica.com
Mark ,
Just discovered your site from reading this Sundays's paper and am really
enjoying it. I see the same hesitation problem of the 3.0 Mercruiser I/O
that I have. The
3.0 liter is an excellent family boat to pull most water toys , but slow
to
pull a 200 lb skier w/ boat load of people. Is there some way to increase
hp or
shorten time to skiing speed? I am using the stainless steel prop as recommended
by
Bayliner. Thanks ! Rodney Bertrand
I have been expermenting with props more this year than usual, and
found that if you have several passangers on
board and want to pull a skier, your best bet is to purchase a prop
with a lower pitch. Keep your stainless for
general running, but with a simple prop tool and 60 seconds (plus it
gives you a chance to untangle any fishing line
you might have picked up), you can switch to a say 15" prop.
You will notice an increase in your maximum RPM
and a great speed reduction, but you will have plenty of power for
quick starts and you should still top out at about
30 or 32. With an empty load you will find about 38 - 40 with a 19"
prop and lower RPM maximum. A basic aluminum
prop will set you back about $ 129. You can order them through
Overton's online, (check our "Links" page). If you
are boating in water with a lot of shallow spots or debris (ie. floating
logs after a hard rain) a composite prop (around $ 89)
is more ideal and is cheaper to replace than an aluminum prop or an
outdrive shaft. They are also good for cornering and are ideal for 18 foot
(most boats under 22 ft overall). Also be sure to run a plus or better
grade of fuel for best power and if it
is hesitating in the take off you will need to check your timing or
consider a tune up. Either will also help lower your fuel
consumption. Check with your local Bayliner dealer for the ideal prop
for skiing, and if you do switch to a lower pitch
prop it would be best to try to keep your RPM under 4500, as it will
be easy to get to 5000. Have a great summer
boating! -Mark
Subject: Rebuilt 3.0 Mercruiser
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 19:23:16 -0400
From: "Randy Westerfield" <rjwest@islc.n
Reply-To: <@islc.net>
To: <Mark-Cameron@boatingamerica.com>
Mark I just finished rebuilding my 1990 3.0 Mercruiser engine. It
is
mounted in the boat it came with a 1990 Invader. The problem I am
having is adjusting the
valves. This engine came with the DDIS. I know that the camshaft
and crankshaft
are set correctly because I marked these items. I had the head checked
and the
valves reworked. After putting the engine back together I adjusted
the
valves with what I thought were correct spec's, no lash and one full turn
of the adjustment nut. The boat starts up like a champ no problem.
I just took it to the water this
weekend to test it out, no problem starting but at WOT I could only
pull 3100 RPM's it just
didn't want to go. When I put the engine in neutral the engine has
no problem going to
4500 RPM except that it will miss or backfire on occassion. I believe
my problem is
the valve adjustment, could you give me the correct procedure's for doing
this. Our
if this is not the problem what is your bet.
Thanks Randy
It sounds like the timing is OK and that you have adjusted the valves
properly, the possibilities are
adjusting the valves too tight where the engine isn't breathing properly,
compression in the cylinders
are too low which would mean reboaring out the cylinders and new rings,
air cleaner not breathing
properly, fuel pump and or filter, engine alignment (since neutral
is running well), too much pitch in the prop,
(you should be no more than about 20 or 21 in pitch to reach 4000 max,
or 15 pitch at 4600 rpm). Trim
too high and weight to heavy in boat. It should be running at least
4400 rpm on a 19 pitch prop (for example).
Consult with a Mercruiser manual on exact proceedure of adjustment.
It involves a feeler gauge to set the space
and a good wrench to turn the crank shaft to check the proper clearance
and gasket. I haven't performed one in years myself,
thus I would advise a trip to the local marina or possibly a library
for a manual. Good luck and fill us in! -Mark
Subject: Torque steer
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 14:12:30 -0400
From: addcmore <addcmore@interlog.com>
To: Mark-Cameron@worldnet.att.net
Hi Mark,
Found your web page and I wondered if you have any advise or articles
you could suggest on how to overcome torque steer. We have an old family
fibreglass boat (Crestliner) which we just put an 85 Johnson on last
year, the original motor died. We are experiencing a strong pull
to the
right as we increase speed. My husband and brother say it is torque
steer but we are not sure what we can do about it. Any suggestions
would be welcomed.
Thanks, Dianne
There is an adjustable fin just above the prop on most outboard and
inboard systems. If your boat is drifting to the right stop the boat
at a nearby beach or ramp tilt the engine out and adjust the fin as few
degrees counter clockwise while looking up towards it. Run again and stop
and make fine tune adjustments until you are comfortable with the steering.
Subject: New engine power loss
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 14:11:50 -0400
From: J Dructor <jdructor@citadelcomputer.com>
To: Mark-Cameron@Worldnet.att.net
Mark, I have visited your web page several times and have picked-up some
great tips (thanks!). Now I have a question of my own. I just
bought a
1998 SeaRay 175 bowrider with a 3.0 liter Mercruiser Alpha 1 stern drive.
I've only used the boat about six times and not for very long (in fact,
I'd
bet I haven't even used a full tank of gas yet). The problem I'm
having is
when I go from idle to 3/4 or full throttle - the boat hesitates and has
even stalled once. It doesn't happen all the time and it didn't happen
the
first couple times I used it. When it does occur, the boat usually
hesitates for a second or two (almost like it's not getting fuel), then
takes off and runs fine. By mistake, I had put $20 of 87 octane fuel
in
the boat the first time. Could this have caused any damage? (I learned
afterward 89 octane is recommended). Any ideas? Thanks, -Jim
The octane has little impact on hesitation. 89 at less than 2000 feet
above sea level is ideal and recommended in order to get cleaner fuel.
Above 2000 feet gas burns differently and doesn't need as much octane and
87 or in some cases even less is sufficient, (such as Lake Dillon in Colorado
that is over 5000 feet above sea level). However you also may have some
bad gas too. First fill your boat up with 89 (I recommend Marathon or Shell),
and when on the water after warming up and running a little try taking
off back to 3/4 of a throttle or so. If after your second or third fill
up you still have hesitation then what you have most likely is a timing
problem. It may need to be advanced a degree or two. Then since
yoru boat is brand new and under warranty I would recommend taking
it back to the dealer for a timing check and or adjustment. Good luck and
have a great summer boating!.
Subject: Help?
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 00:43:10 -0500
From: "Eagle" <eagle@compu.net>
To: <Mark-Cameron@boatingamerica.com>
Dear Mark,
Seems to me your the guy i need to talk to.....I got an OMC from ARROW
Glass of Memphis.... it's a 16 ft. in board with a gm in-line 4 cyl....this
thing had set for about 6 years and the previous owner said it would
make a good palnter for the back yard... but since he wanted to leave
this thing with the house he was selling to me I said ok.... figured i
trash it for him.....while cleaning the barn on this property i found the
shop manual and started
toying with the idea of fixin it....well 6 months later and about 50 bucks
in parts and the dang things run like
a racing motor.....so i did it... i fixed it... i cleaned it.... i waxed
it.... and i put 4 new tires on the trailer ....but what now.... i think
maybe the water... but wait eagle has never had a boat before..... i'm
picking up alot from your site and just wanted to say thanks.... i need
the the help that you are sharing and i do appreciate it..... any further
tips on putting a restored boat in the water would greatly be appreciated....
thank you,
Eagle.compu.net
I have to say you ran into a bit of luck buying property and getting
a boat thrown in. Make sure before you float to read on and check out the
trailering tips and operating techniques. Above all make sure you have
the necessary life jackets, fire extinguisher, safety flag, horn, navigation
lights, bilge ventilation, flame arrestor and any other legal requirements
for safe boating in your state and then you are ready to head out, and
once out watch for the no wake and wake zones and respect distances from
other boats and you are ready. Let me know how your first time out turns
out! -Mark
Subject: Monterey 230 Open
Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 09:04:00 EDT
From: M535927 <M535927@aol.com>
To: Mark-Cameron@boatingamerica.com
Bought this boat last year and it ran fine all suimmer long. Took it in
for
its 20 hr check-up, get it home and it won;t run over 25,000 rpm. It stalls
out. To it back to the dealer/servicer and they can't look at for awhile.
The
engine is a 4.7 l. Mercruiser. Was told it could possiby be due to water
in
the fuel, but the engine doesn't overheat. Got any suggestions? Thanks!
It sounds like either too much weight on the boat (which is doubtful),
timing, clogged carb., dirty fuel filter, engine out of alignment, bad
fuel pump or a combination of a couple of the above. If it ran this way
right after your got it back from its check up I would call back and complain.
Otherwise until you get it in you can check to make sure your distributor
is not loose, check your fuel lines (in a very well insulated area), visually
inspect your carberator etc.. You shoudl be able to run at least 4000 rpm
(not what I think you mean 2500 rpm). -Mark
Subject: '94 17' Starcraft
Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 14:43:42 -0400
From: "Lowe, Randall" <rlowe@attscc.att.com>
To: "'Mark-Cameron@worldnet.att.net'" <Mark-Cameron@worldnet.att.net>
Mark,
First of all let me say thanks for the site. It is full of helpful info.
I
am a first time boat owner and have a few questions I would like to ask.
I
bought my first boat, a 1994 17' Starcraft with a Force 120, in Oct, 1996.
I have never had any problems with the boat, but I'm concerned about the
quality of Starcraft because they seem to be rare (I have never seen another
one). Do you have any information about the quality Starcraft boats.
Secondly, I live in Jacksonville, FL and use the ICWW (mostly for fishing).
I launched the boat in the ICWW with the plug out. I remembered right away,
re-trailered and pulled the boat out of the water. I pumped the water out
with the bilge pump and let it drain from the hull. Is there anything in
the
hull that will corrode? If so what should do to prevent corrosion inside
the
hull? And lastly, I am considering selling the boat and upgrading to a
larger boat. Is there a blue book for boats so I know how much it is my
boat
is worth?
Thanks!
Randy
Starcraft is well known in the midwest and parts of the south. I haven't
heard of anyting negative. The only concern about the incident without
the plug is that your engine and and sterring cables weren't submerged.
If they were then you should re-lubricate all the lines and fog the engine.
But if it was only the haul, aside from any possible metal screws, which
even then was probably another form of mostly non corrosive metal, you
shouldn't worry about it. As a precaution I would rinse out the bildge
area with good old fashion tap water. Last, there are blue books on boats,
check with your local marine dealer for specs, most sales reps are more
than happy to help out. -Mark
Subject: Motor Question:
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 07:57:04 -0400
From: "Scott W. Knotowicz" <swknoto@kodak.com>
To: <Mark-Cameron@boatingamerica.com>
CC: <swknoto@kodak.com>
I have a question you might be able to help me with. I have a 1986
V6 4.3L
motor, Rochester 2V carburetor, and OMC Cobra outdrive. The problem
is
from a stopped position when I put it in gear and I push the throttle hard
the motor quits, if I ease it, it works fine. When it is in neutral
and I
push the throttle hard it responds fine. When I am running at any
speed
and hit the throttle it hesitates than goes? Any thoughts?
Thanks Scott
Its a simple fix, your engine timing is off. It should be advanced
a couple of degrees. Good time for a tune up. -Mark
Subject: Change trailer bearings
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:26:35 -0400
From: username <username@USCCMAIL.uscc.bms.com>
Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Company
To: Mark-Cameron@boatingamerica.com
Can you give me some brief instructions on how to change the bearing on
my trailer. I bought the right size 1 1/16 in. Is it easy to
do?
Thanks, Tom. My address is tbartolo@usccmail.uscc.bms.com
Jack up the trailer, remove the wheel, pull the bearing covers off,
unscrew the bearing nut (that holds the bearing in place). Pull the entire
hub off. Pull the rear bearing seal off (if equipped), (I pop it off from
the inside with the end of a hammer). Remove and replace the rear bearing
(making sure it is packed well). Put the hub back on and slip in the new
packed bearing on the front side. Make sure there is plenty of grease.
Tighten the bearing nut hand tight so the wheel has no play. Put the cover
on, then the wheel. Pull the trailer a couple of miles at slow speeds and
then re-check the tightness of the wheel, make sure there is still no play,
otherwise re-tighten the nut just to the point where the wheel has no play.
This is a must if you are repacking bearings with Bearing Buddies. Always
check and adjust bearings after each submersion, and at each stop on long
hauls. If you have Bearing Buddies, you will need much more grease, and
make sure your wheel has no play, not to over tighten the nut but to hand
tighten it and retighten it if the wheel has play after warming the bearings
up. I stress this again because if the wheel is loose the Buddies will
pop off. Bearing Buddies once seated are great for keeping water from getting
to the bearing keeping the grease pressure high enough so the water won't
enter the bearings on submersion. The only maintenance then is to check
the outer ring and make sure there is grease pressure by pushing in on
the ring. If not simply inject until the ring moves out slightly, be careful
not to over fill it. Good luck, its not as hard as it seems. -Mark
Subject: Anchors
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:52:22 -0000
From: "Karen Hill" <karen.a.hill@boeing.com>
Reply-To: <alias@mdc.com>
To: <Mark-Cameron@boatingamerica.com>
Hi Mark,
We are new boat owners and bought a "repo" boat. The boat was stripped
and
had no anchor. We went to the boat store and they had many anchors
to
choose from - all different weights.
We have a 1989 17.7 foot Galaxie, inboard/outboard, 190 horsepower boat.
Could you recommend the proper anchor weight for us to buy?
Thanks,
Karen Hill
Please reply to:
how_kar@msn.com
The weights may very depending on the type of anchor. Digger Anchors
should be 12 pounds for up to a 20' boat, 11 pounds for a Slip Ring Mechanical
Anchor, 15 pounds for a navy Anchor, and 16 pounds for a River Anchor.
I have (for example) a Slip Ring, also one of the most popular, which you
drop and leave out enough anchor line for about a 45 degree or more angle.
Then when you pull the line you inadvertently pull your boat to just over
your anchor and because of the 90 degree angle your anchor will not be
pulling into the ground but away from it straight up. A navy anchor digs
faster, and a river anchor is great for mud bottom lakes or in any river
situation. I have also seen anchors used for high wind areas that have
an underwater parachute within the line that helps keep the anchor from
dragging, (should be used in lakes with no current). Good luck and hopefully
this helps you out! -Mark
Subject: Marada Boats
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 20:34:04 -0400
From: Sean Mohr <mohrs@mindspring.com>
To: Mark-Cameron@worldnet.att.net
Hello Mark my name is Sean,
I was reading a old posting of yours from Oct. 96 in which you stated
that your own or owned a 94 Marada. I was wondering if your could
give me any
feedback on the Marada boats. I am looking at a 94 mx-3 marada that
is for
sale here in Atlanta and am trying to find out any pros or cons about this
brand
of boats.
Thanks
Sean Mohr
mohrs@mindspring.com
Atlanta GA
I still have that boat and love it. It has a Mercruiser out-drive with
the Chevy 4 cylinder, and seems to hold up well over the past four years
with all the trailering I do, (I am getting ready to change the tires on
the trailer later this year). Best of all it fits well in the garage at
just under 21 feet from prop to trailer hitch. As with any used boat it
is important to be able to test run the engine. Ideally you should be able
to run it on the water. Inspect the engine compartment for excessive exhaust
fumes (where you may need to repair or replace the exhaust manifold), check
the oil, the out-drive oil reservoir, check around the prop housing (with
the prop removed and look for signs of transmission oil leakage. Pull the
out-drive plug and drain just a tiny bit of transmission oil, it
should be a blue green color, and not a milky color (milky color represents
water seepage and could result in a costly repair). While doing this inspect
the skeg for any excess damage. Also while testing, during the running,
make sure the steering wheel turns easily, the throttle control operates
normally, and that all gauges have proper readings. An 18 foot should be
able to run about 36-38 mph full throttle with a 17" prop on a four cylinder,
or just about 40 with a speed prop (19"). Check around the hull for any
stress cracks, under hull damage, and pay close attention to the engine
area. If the unit checks out then you will have a good used boat.
Marada as a manufacturer is very good, I have personally talked with
reps. from the factory and they are very excited about their product
line and have made major modifications in their units over the past several
years, all of them positive. This year they are working on design modifications
on their 26 foot unit. You can check out their site at http://www.marada.com/index.htm.
-Mark
Subject: "TILTING THE MOTOR"
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 09:42:41 -0700
From: jts@ite.net (Jesse Tainatongo)
To: Mark-Cameron@boatingamerica.com
I AM HAVING PROBLEMS IN A 140 HP JOHNSON OUTBOARD MOTOR. I CAN'T
SEEM
TO TRIM THE MOTOR UP. IT TILTS DOWN BUT IT WON'T TRIM UP. IF
YOU HAVE
ANY IDEA OR SUGGESTIONS ON THIS, IT WOULD BE GRATEFUL. I AM THINKING
THAT IT MIGHT BE AN ELECTRICAL PROBLEM, BUT THE BOOK THAT I HAVE ISN'T
CURRENT. THANKS,...J.T.
It is possible that it could be electrical, if it is sounding like
it is struggling to trim up then you are probably low on fluid. If there
is no response then it is probably a relay, faulty switch or possibly a
faulty pump, the latter being the most expensive. Good luck and keep
us informed of how it comes out! -Mark
Subject: Hydrofoils, trim tabs and weight distribution
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 15:24:50 -0400
From: Walter Koucky <wkoucky@pol.com>
Organization: saic
To: Mark-Cameron@boatingamerica.com
I have a 19' Maxum bowrider with a 5 litre and an Alpha 1. I put
a Land
& Sea Torque-shift prop on it to pull up large slaloom skiers.
Pulling
kids & tubers, I have the same problem staying on plane that you
addressed with Tim Conley. Have you heard of using a hydrofoil with
a
shifting prop? What about moving heavy items like the battery (or
two
batteries) to the bow? Why do designers put the battery, fuel and
all
the weight so for aft? Is it to minimize travel and agitation? Would
trim tabs be dramatically more effective in getting on plane at low
speeds? With the 5 litre and the shifting prop, getting on plane
is not
usually a problem, however, staying on plane at low speeds and with a
loaded boat is difficult.
A hydrofoil does help get on plane faster but it is difficult for nearly
all boats to maintain a speed right around wake speed without making constant
throttle adjustments. I try to maintain 15 to keep legal state speed limits
for small children on the tubes. As far as putting fuel and battery near
the or at the aft section helps keep the center of gravity towards the
back for quick take offs. If you throttle up with much of your weight forward
you will find the vessel will struggle to get up on plane because the bow
has trouble lifting, you are getting a plowing effect. Trim tabs along
with a hydrofoil will be the most effective, but tabs will drag the speed
down and require more thrust to maintain the same speed, it will induce
more stability over all though helping to maintain 15-18 without extra
throttle adjustments. The mixture of both is ideal, but results will very
with the hull design. The shifting prop is great for fuel efficiency and
thrust for pulling skiers. So if you are ready to shell out a few bucks,
try the hydrofoil first, then get ready for the big money (if still not
satisfied with the results) and ad trim tabs. Good luck and have a great
98' boating! -Mark.
Subject: First boat.
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:36:06 -0600
From: Dassow Ryan <RDassow@ALLIEDCG.com>
To: "'Mark-Cameron@worldnet.att.net'" <Mark-Cameron@worldnet.att.net
I am thinking about buying my first boat. I am looking used Bayliners/4
Winns boats around 19-21ft. Any words of wisdom? I will most likely be
buying from a private party, not a dealership. Also, I'm going to lease
a truck to pull this thing. The truck I'm looking at has a tow capacity
of 3600 lbs and a tongue weight capacity of 350. Should I just get a
class 2 hitch? Will this be enough? Any help would be appreciated!
thanks
I would suggest a Class 3 hitch for a 19' boat or more. Once you figure
fuel load along with all the other water toys and fishing gear you will
be over the weight a Class 2 can handle. Its always better for a little
extra if necessary. On the other hand of you are getting an 18' or less
you will be OK for a Class 2 and your vehicle will tow easier. Also make
sure your shocks are ready and you have the proper cooling for your transmission.
-Mark
Subject: OMC parts
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 00:29:16 -0600
From: Charlie Luedeke <marinetk@athenet.net>
Organization: Marine Tech
To: "'mark-cameron@boatingamerica.com'" <mark-cameron@boatingamerica.com>
Mark; My name is Charlie. I operate Marine Tech in New London, WI. We are
a
OMC service dealer. We specialize in new and used Johnson and Evinrude
parts. We may not always be the cheapest, but we don't sell junk. We stand
behind every thing we sell. I know there are a lot of rip-offs out there
so
we try to be fair and do the best for our customers. I know this is a free
board and I don't expect you to post this. I'm not looking for free
advertising. I just wanted to drop you a note in case I could be of help
to
someone. If I can be of assistance to you at any time , give me a call.
I
am an OMC certified Master Tech, at least you will know I'm not a backyard
wanna-be mechanic. Look forward to hearing from you. Charlie, Marine Tech
920-982-4123.
I am always looking forward to hearing from technicians. Please
feel free to check our BBSs linkable from the front page anytime.
Many boaters stopping by Boating America may at one time or another
need your advise!. -Mark
Subject: boating on the Illinois River
Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 12:55:21 -0600
From: "M. Jason Cunningham" <m-cunningham@nwu.edu>
To: Mark-Cameron@worldnet.att.net
Hello,
We were browsing through you site and noticed that you have no information
on boating in the marseilles pond of the river.
We love boating dropping our boat in that section of the river. It
is 27
miles long between the locks, has many accessible beaches for camping and
picnics. Also, the boating season on the river starts before and
ends
after the boating season on Lake Michigan because the weather is better.
We usually launch in Seneca, Illinois at the Hidden Cove Marina ($10.00
launch fee) on the weekends, but go to the public launch in Morris during
the weekdays. (The public launch is usually a 2 to 3 hour wait just
to
launch on the weekends, then the wait to take the boat out is long also.
Usually no wait at the Hidden Cove). The public launch is in Straton
park
off of route 47 in Morris. The Hidden Cove is the first right after
crossing the I- 170 bridge (from north to south) in Seneca.
Hope this information is useful to you. Thanks for providing the
info. If
you have any further questions about that portion of the Illinois River
please feel free to reply to this e-mail. We truly believe that the
Marseilles portion of the Illinois River is the best river section near
Chicago.
Thanks for the information, I will look into having upgraded in the
Illinois page, -Mark
Subject: Paddlewheel Productions
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 06:42:13 EST
From: IWAHAY@aol.com
To: Mark-Cameron@boatingamerica.com
Hi there,
I am writing a few organizations that I am familiar with to ask a question
about a plan I have. I am rebuilding an old houseboat and fitting it with
paddlewheel power. I have spent many years as a professional photographer,
but
my real love is river travel.
My plan is to travel the rivers of the Eastern U.S. in my paddlewheeler
and
take photos of peoples boats for them, for a fee. This would allow me to
continue to make a meager living, while doing what I love most, traveling
rivers. If it works, I will propably never be a land lubber again.
I figure
that many people who pay thousands of dollars for those nice boats might
be
willing to spend a few bucks for a professional picture of it, in the water.
So what do you think? From your experience with recreational boaters, do
you
think this concept is feasable. I realize that most fishermen wouldnt be
interested, but I am looking more toward recreational boaters.
Any short message from you would be greatly appreciated. I plan to have
the
boat finished and on my way by May. I hope to hear from you soon.
Respectfully,
Jerry M. Hay
Terre Haute, Indiana
With proper marketing and the general drive to accomplish this goal,
it is possible. The best time to approach any boater would be during the
boating festivals. You may consider timing yourself to be in various places
when these festivals occur. Advertising in the form of brochures
or posting when you will be visiting marinas may also work well. You may
want to offer various packages, something for everyone's budget. Good luck
on your venture, and your houseboat. -Mark
Subject: mooring laws
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 09:19:03 -0500
From: donald davis <blackwater@mindspring.com>
To: Mark-Cameron@worldnet.att.net
Good morning,I'm trying to find out the regulations for mooring and or
storing a boat on private property which lies along the bank of the yellow
river in Lilburn, Gwinnett county. I've called the Army Corps of engineers
and Gwinnett County transportation , they did not know. My property has
a small pond and I've toyed with the idea of putting a small houseboat
on it for a retreat, outfitted with a sun-mar composting toilet, so there
would be no discharge of waste. Any advise would be appreciated. Thanks,
Donald
I would suggest checking with the Gwinnett Court House and see if your
neighborhood has any zoning restrictions. If they do you will probably
have to contact an attourney for legal options, (of course you will also
want to check with the state of Georgia, so it would probably be safe to
hire an attourney for the few dollars it would cost, it would be a good
investment before sinking 50 to 250 thousand for a houseboat). It will
also be costly to put the houseboat in the pond, unless it leads into the
river directly. Let me know what happens! -Mark
Subject: What is deadrise exactly
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 22:35:04 +0000
From: Randy Cleveland <rclevela@ichips.intel.com>
Organization: Intel Corp., Hillsboro, Oregon To: Mark-Cameron@worldnet.att.net
Hi Mark, Excellent page. I have been looking for a long time for a page
such as yours. Here's my question. I just purchased a 1998 Regal 1700 LSR
and one of the selling points that the salesman used was that with 24 degrees
deadrise that this boat has a superior ride. What exactly is deadrise and
it's relationship to ride? I am very happy with the boat, I was just curious
about this.
Thanks Randy
Deadrise is the measurement of the angle between the bottom of a boat
and its widest beam. A vessel with a 0º deadrise has a flat bottom,
high numbers indicate deep V shaped hul. In a nut shell, you have a deep
V, which cuts through the choppier water better than say a 0º which
would be a really flat surface and giving you the feel of every little
ripple in the water, and one foot waves or more a bone shaking ride. The
deep V tends to cut the waves and push the water a-part smoothing out the
chop. The deeper the angle the smoother the ride, however too much will
cause the boat to tilt to the side when the weight in the boat shifts left
or right of the center. 24 degrees is a good angle and also helps the boat
give a stable ride even when the weight shifts to the side. Plus you will
see nearly all manufacturers change the shape or angle measurement between
front and back of the hull to give you less chance of boat roll over in
the event the motor turns to one side at full throttle, and have the appearance
of a Boston Whaler design in the back 1/3 still providing a smooth ride
at 35 mph + speeds at proper engine tilt. Have fun in your new boat this
coming season! -Mark
Subject: Riveted Starcraft Boat
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 98 20:50:48 +0000
From: Eric Balders <ebalders@rohr.com>
To: Mark-Cameron@worldnet.att.net
Mark, I have a Starcraft 18' Mariner. This summer I used it in the pacific
ocean. After about 2 trips approximately 30 Mi offshore, it began taking
on water. As it turns out, quite a few of the rivet heads have sheared
off. Do you have any suggestions? Is this boat fixable for use in this
environment? Thank you. Eric Balders <ebalders@rohr.com>
I have heard of rivet heads coming off as aluminum boats age, especially
around salt water. You need to dry dock the boat, and have a specialist
inpect it for possible repair. If the condition of the surface is good
(not dented, cracked, bent or has too much corrision) then it may be repairable.
My family has had the same aluminum row boats since the 60s which at this
minute are sitting upside down on a beach in Traverse City, Michigan and
probably being run over by snowmobiliers as you read this. To this date
I don't think they have lost a rivet yet. It would be worth repairing if
repairable. Good luck ! -Mark
Subject: Volvo Penta in a 1984 19 foot Bayliner
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 97 03:25:44 +0000
From: "Dick Walters" <weaseldick@otn.net>
To: <Mark-Cameron@worldnet.att.net>
Mark, I love your page! I have a problem that can't be fixed locally. My
Volvo has run perfectly until the day it quit. It was as if the key was
turned off. We changed the coil and points. The points lasted about 10
minutes. There was severe metal transfer on one side, so we changed the
points and condenser again with the same results. Nobody can fix it except
suggest switching over to electronic ignition. Isn't there a simple fix
out there? Dick Walters Yuba City, CA
DIck, it sounds like your rod that turns your distributor may be damaged
causing a irregular spin like a tire out of bounce, this may be why your
metal might be wearing more on one side. You will probably have to remove
the rod or gear that turns your distributor and inspect the gears and any
other components related to the shaft, inspecting for anything bent etc..
It will probably be cheaper to repair it rather then install fuel injection.
Fuel injection is more fuel efficient and gives you improved performance,
if you are up for the cost it may be worth your while! Good Luck and let
us know what happens! -Mark
Subject: honda outboard motor
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 97 23:51:41 +0000
From: aam@jps.net (albert marino)
To: Mark-Cameron@worldnet.att.net
sir,my honda outboard circa 1990, has a small break on the tip of the cavitation
plate.About a 1x2 inch triangular piece broke off when i backed into and
hit the garage wall. will this negatively effect performance and can it
be welded back on. I am relatively new at boating and your service has
been very informative and helpful. thank you sincerely for whatever help
you may give.
The cavitation plate is part of the Anode usually towards the rear of
the engine. It probably will not effect performance but may cause corrision
problems later. An aftermarket anode part (if that is what your unit uses
as a plate) will probably be cheaper than paying someone to weld it. I
have seen them in aftermarket as low as $ 9.95. However check with your
honda dealer for advice. You may want to visit their site at http://www.honda-marine.com
for more information. Skegs are also an item that gets broken while backing.
They can in almost all cases be welded. -Mark
Subject: Mercruise 188 gas engine
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 97 23:36:33 +0000
From: Charles Gaudet <Gaudetcj@EDnet.NS.CA>
Organization: Nova Scotia Department of Education and Culture
To: mark-cameron@worldnet.att.net
I enjoy your web page. I recently purchased a FIBREFORM cruiser with twin
188 mercruisers with alpha 1 drives. Can you tell me where I could get
litterature on the boat and on the engines. Thanks.
I checked and couldn't locate anything on Fibreform, but you can find
plenty of information on the engines at http://www.mercurymarine.com/
. They should be able to locate a Candian dealer near you for manuals.
-Mark
Subject: Trailering and OMC stern drives
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 97 03:39:05 +0000
From: JCole59946@aol.com
To: Mark-Cameron@worldnet.att.net
Dear Mark,
I've been reading questions and tips on your web page and I can't resist
sending in a couple of my own.
My family has a 1985 21ft Chris Craft bow rider that weighs about 3,300
lbs dry and a tandem trailer that weighs about 700lbs. My Dad has a 92
Ford explorer with a 4.0 V6 and class III hitch and I've got an 89 Chevy
Caprice with a 5.0 V8 and a class III hitch. My Chevy has also got a heavy-duty
radiator, aux transmission cooler, load leveling air shocks, and the optional
rear axle ratio. My Dad says that neither of these vehicle are qualified
to tow this boat on the highway, but I argue that they can handle it. I've
never tried to pull anything this heavy before.
What do you think?? What can we do to improve our safety when towing??
Also, The boat is used in fresh water only and is stored high and dry in
a boat lift. At the end of each season we do all the maintenance stuff,
but this year when we changed the lower unit fluid in the intermediate
housing (OMC 800), instead of looking like gear grease, it came out looking
like chocolate milk.
Do we have a major problem on our hands?? I'd like to take care of it over
the winter before next season.
Please, Tell me what you think!!
Thanks,
John Coleman
Richmond VA
Towing with the Caprice is not a problem for 3500 pounds, I would check
with GM on the extra weight. You are probably closer to 4000 pounds and
possibly 4300 pounds figuring fuel and accessories. The transmission cooler
and shocks are a must for anything over 1000 pounds. Check with GM on the
max GVWR rating for your car. More than likely you are right at the limit,
not a problem for short hauls, but not recommended for longer pulls. If
your car is braking and running properly, not bogging down, then you are
probably OK. Be sure to inspect break pads and change the transmission
and engine oils regularly. The rating on the Explorer should be OK with
the cooler, but will probably bog down more while towing on hills. The
hitches for both vehicles are fine. If the transmission oil looks like
chocolate milk, then you have a leak somewhere in the unit. It could be
and most likely be a faulty seal somewhere in the outdrive requiring careful
inspection and replacement of the seals. You may also have a bad bearing
near the propellor that could require replacement. Most likely causes are
hitting the bottom and general wear and tear. Check with your local marine
dealer and parts and labor costs. Seals and bearings probably will be less
than 200-dollars, but the labor may be closer to the four figure mark.
Getting the leaks fixed early can save you a lot of money preventing a
transmission meltdown which would require the replacement of the outdrive.
-Mark
Subject: I/O winterization
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 97 03:43:35 +0000
From: "William R. Murphy" <bmurphy@kiva.net>
To: Mark-Cameron@worldnet.att.net
Mark: Great page. I just purchased a '95 Rinker with the 3.0 Mercruiser
and the alpha one stern drive. For lack of a garage I have to store it
outside for the winter. Besides changing the drive oil and stabilizing
the fuel, what else needs to be done to this unit. Also, the steering seems
looser than what it should be. When idling and holding the steering wheel
straight the boat will serve back and forth quite a bit. The steering system
seems to be all hyrdraulic. I wondering if it needs bleeding and where
the valve would be.
I plan on winterization in November. I have stored mine outside in the
past but recently have cleaned out the garage and it stays just above freezing.
First: if the steering is loose but has no play, then you are fine, some
boats have power steering, but if it has play contact your Mercruiser /
Rinker Dealer for advice, bleeding should be done by a professional (or
at least step by step device). Otherwise may wind up with more play then
when you started. Two: only do this if you are finding play at high speeds,
or while out of the water see if the steering has any play. Three: the
drifting or swerving back and fourth is normal at low speeds when the trim
is all the way up in shallow areas. Install a depth sounder and keep your
trim in most of the way when possible, a depth sounder helps you to avoid
hitting the skeg on the bottom (once you realize your getting into shallow
water readings). This will reduce the swerving, my boat does the same thing
at idle and I have gotten used to it now by habbit, (but the trimming helps).
Winterization requires (at least as a precaution against freezing) the
draining and replacing the outdrive oil. But first pour fuel stable liquid
into the gas tank and fill it nearly full with plus type of high quality
gasoline. Then run a garden hose to your engine (you will need a special
engine attachment which pumps water into the intakes on the lower part
of your outdrive), start the engine with the hose running, and fog it by
pouring oil right into your carberator and letting the smoke from your
exhaust coat all the components inside your engine, I use a full quart
and pour it in little by little so the engine doesn' t stall, and then
completely stall it out as I near the end of the quart. Then drain your
block, if your block freezes in the winter then your will have damage to
your engine, possibly so extreme that you will have to replace it. There
are two plugs on the four cylinder located on the right underside of your
carberator manifold, one is actually on the engine wall, the other on the
manifold and are recognized by the brass type of plug. I drain mine everytime
I pull out of the lake. Drain this after the fogging process, then lower
and raise your outdrive to get the water out. Next shut off your ignition
safety switch (located near your throttle), and crank the engine several
times to push any remaining water out. I also suggest pulling your boat
around the block which will prevent puddeling (of course have your bilge
plug off). Then do your outdrive oil. The oil is thick so the process will
take a while. Use Quicksilver drive oil on Mercrusier, they make two types,
a standard mixture and a heavier mixture (check your manual for which type
to use) and will take about two quarts. You need to obtain a pump kit at
your marine dealer which screws into the top of the oil container, and
pump it in from the bottom of the outdrive. Once the oil flows out of the
top plug (at the top of your outdrive), then you cap the bottom plug and
then fill your reservoir in the engine compartment so you have a good flow
out of the top plug. Seal the top plug and level the reservoir and the
outdrive is safe for the winter and ready for spring. Be sure to watch
your reservoir in the spring as it will lower after the air bubbles in
the oil settle. Trim your engine down (to prevent the gimble bearing from
freezing in a trimmed positions) Disconnect your battery and store it in
your garage or place where it will be a little above freezing. Do not store
it in your house, acid fumes are unhealthy. Next drain your engine oil
and replace the oil filter (its easy and just like doing it in a car),
use 25W 40 Quicksilver which is recommended in most Mercruiser applications,
it will keep your warranty in tack. Lubricate your plugs on the left and
right side of your outdrive with quicksilver lubricants, and your throttle
and steering linkages with special lube 101. Last but not least re-tighten
your lugnuts on your trailer, and put it on jack stands to prevent tire
rot. Check your bearings or bearing buddies to make sure there is plenty
of lubrication. On bearing buddies you should be able to push down on one
side of the plastic bleeder tube which helps to repack the greese. If there
is no play then pump boat trailer grease into the plugs on the bearings
until the bleeder moves just a little, (this should be done everytime you
submerse or re-fuel on long trips). Too much will cause the grease to run
out and splatter your wheels. Repack the buddies every five years. Thats
about it, your are now ready for storage and spring. PS some people like
to inject anti-freeze into the engine for prolong storage in winter and
spring, it is important to get the right mixture of antifreeze in the system.
Check with your dealer on advice for your climate. Also if your engine
has a passive cooling system (found more in salt water ready engines) the
winterization process will be a little different. Have a great fall season
boating! - Mark.
Subject: prop torque
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 97 00:07:57 +0000
From: crs <crs@ameritech.net>
To: Mark-Cameron@worldnet.att.net
Mark, is there a way to reduce or eliminate prop torque? If I let go of
the steering wheel at high speed the boat turns drastically to the right.
I have tried adjusting the the trim keel ( or what ever you call it ) on
the motor, but it has no effect. The motor is an 85 hp Merc outboard.
Anxiously awaiting a solution,
Carl
Too much trim can have an effect on Torque steering. Trimming in more
will help, plus look at weight distribution in the boat, (such as all passengers
or weight on one side), or if you are in a high cross wind, you will run
into steering pull. Choose a calm day with no wind, distribute the weight
evenly on one side, then take a run and adjust your trim or tilt, and your
keel. You should be able to find the happy medium. If all else fails, check
your engine and make sure it mounted level. -Mark
Subject: Boating Question
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 97 14:07:43 +0000
From: "Steve L." <justdoit@ih2000.net>
Organization: Computers Ect.
To: Mark-Cameron@worldnet.att.net
Just to start off I'd like to say your page is a great help for other boaters.
I am a first time boat owner, and recently purchased a 1984 18' Bayliner
with a 4 cylinder Volvo I/O engine. The boat has a passenger limit of 8
people. The boat takes off faily good but sometimes dosent want to plane
out. When this happens the engine reves high but not much added speed occurs,
and furthermore it feels like it slips (like it catches off and on, almost
like the prop is slipping through the water in all honesty im not too sure
if this is common). Is there any way to figure out the problem myself?
Or have you ever had this problem before? I know someone who said it might
be a gear in the outdrive, but boats are not his specialty. I would appriciate
any help in this matter. Thanx a million, Steve. PS. on my first outing
i forgot the plug too. Luckily i was sitting by the dock!!! And on my second
outing i got lost (after dark on a winding river) and ran out of gas 300yards
from the ramp. What luck eh hehe.
I can think of a couple of possibilities. First make sure your trim
is set lower. If the trim is too high it will cavitate on turns and also
when the boat is loaded heavy in the front. If you are loading 8 people
on board, try a run alone and see if the problem still exists Second remove
your prop, check to make sure the teeth are not stripped, if they are,
replace the necessary parts and the prop. If it still slips, you whould
remove and inspect the outdrive, of course with the help of a good mechanic
and a manual (Chilton's is one good source available at most marine shops).
Good luck and see you on the lake! -Mark
Subject: Columbus boater needs info
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 97 00:09:58 +0000
From: Dennis Ellerbeck <DELLERBECK@worldnet.att.net>
To: Mark-Cameron@worldnet.att.net
Hi Mark, First, want to say your page is just the greatest boating page
on the net! I've bookmarked it and visit often. Was wondering if you could
give me some info. We would like to boat on the Muskingham River, maybe
go thru the locks down to the Ohio River. Can you tell me about how deep
the river is? We have a 24' Bayliner Ciera Cruiser (Toy For Two - so be
sure and honk if you ever see us at Alum Creek or wherever). Also, what
would be the closest place to put the boat in at? We did see one place
(private, I think it cost $5 to launch) near Zanesville. Do you know of
any good ramps (considering our boat size)? How far on the Muskingham from
Zanesville can you boat before you come to the first lock? How's the fishing
on this river? Anything else you are able to tell me, I'll sure appreciate.
Thanks for your time, and happy, safe boating!
Sincerely,
One of Toy For Two's Crew...
Carol
The Muskingum River is Ohio's only navagable inland waterway (fully
inside the state) where all its locks, some dating back to the early 1800s
are still hand cranked. There are 11 locks starting with Ellis (just south
of Dresdin and about every 5 - 10 miles apart all the way south to Marietta.
You can launch on the river free at Riverside Park in Zanesville (south
of Ellis which is shallow anyway), and start locking at Zanesville at the
5th St. Bridge. The park office is at this lock and you can purchase an
annual pass for $35 (as of last year). The locks are only open on weekends
and I would suggest calling the ODWC to make sure all the locks are open
before venturing out. The river is 5 feet deep on average and shallower
below the locks. Check with each lock master for directions around shallow
spots. An early Saturday Morning start can make the round trip possible
in two days, lock operaters radioed ahead to the other lock operators the
last time I made the trip so the locks were set to raise and lower us at
the time we arrived reducing locking delay time. Locks south of Ellis include
Zanesville, Philo (about 7 miles south of Zanesville), Rockerby Lock, McConnelsville/Malta,
Stockport (bat capitol of southeast Ohio) and Beverly many with picnic
facilities. Fishing is excellent, a fish caught near the Beverly locks
was used in the movie Grumpier Old Men II. I was out in Alum Creek Thusday
evening checking out the TNT competition weigh-in, and will probably be
out again a week from Sunday, if I see your boat I will be sure to wave!
-Mark
Subject: Boating on Torch Lake!
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 97 23:51:29 +0000
From: Carpenter <Carpenter@bbs.lethal.net>
Organization: Lethal Online
To: Mark-Cameron@worldnet.att.net
Hi Mark!
I grew up on Torch Lake, so I really enjoyed reading about your trip through
the Chain of Lakes. The Clam River Dockside has great burrito's, don't
you think!
My husband and I bought a 1985 27 ft. Sea Ray Sundancer this year. We've
decided to name it "Broke Again!", because the previous owner unfortunately
didn't know how to maintain the engines. We've almost worked all of the
bugs out so we can relax again.
We are looking forward to being at the Elk Rapids Harbor for Harbor Days
the first weekend in August. It's a great time. I really believe they have
the best fireworks in Northern Michigan. This festival ranks right up there
with the National Cherry Festival in Traverse City (only on a smaller scale).
You ought to try it sometime!
If you know of any great boat trips on the Great Lakes, let me know.
Thanks!
Tracey Carpenter Williamsburg, MI
P.S. Another fun "Chain of Lakes" trip starts in Oden, Michigan and follows
through to Cheboygan through the Crooked River.
I live for a buritto at Dockside ! My kids also like the little indoor
shuffleboard game!. Being a formal resident of Birch Lake I have been to
several Harbor Days which do have great fireworks!. However this year I
won't be able to get up there until August 18th, a little late for the
fest, but I still like those sunset cruises to the Old Mission Lighthouse
Point (well away from the shoals though), and may head out to Northport
if the lake is calm. Last year I made the Cherry Festival, Blue Angles
had a great show out on the west bay!. Glad to ehar that you have all the
bugs out of that 27 footer!. Sea Ray makes a great line, but maintenance
is a must!. I highly recommend the Crooked Tree - Burt Lake etc.
based on what I have heard and read. I plan on running part of that chain
while I am up there. Also for boating on a smaller scale the Intermeidate
Lake - Wilson Lake etc. is also great, but a little shallow during dry
seasons. The scenery is spectacular along with the fishing. Thanks for
writing and please keep in touch and let me know how things are up there
near T.C.. -Mark
Subject: info Date: Thu, 24 Jul 97 04:56:11 +0000
From: dr <drudling@iaw.on.ca>
To: Mark-Cameron@worldnet.att.net
Hi Mark,
I have written before and find your advice very helpful, todays question
is what is your opinion on these dolphins, hydrofoils? I guess there are
many different names for them , the fins on the engines lower end. I have
a 20 foot bow rider f/g, 4.3L omc, cobra out drive with trim/tilt, what
do you think if i put them on my boat? what do they really do? Have heard
many different storys about them and would really like to hear yours.
thanks Dave.
I have run a boat with a hydrofoil, and found that it helps to plane
at a slightly lower speed, but has less effect at high speeds. The main
benefit is the ability to gain speed quicker since you will plane around
13-15 (speeds may very among brands of boats and hydrofoils) and power
up faster since the engine isn't working as hard to plane. It also improves
handling at slower speeds and reduces porpesing (the bobbing up and down
usually at speeds below the 30 when trimmed to high). Its an inexpensive
way to give a little kick to your performance and different hydrofoils
will very, some cost as little as $24.95 and others (which claim a better
holeshot on a speed prop and better turnging at higher speeds) will reach
into the $ 100 plus range. If you are into heavy turning while pulling
a tube or into a little more performance, and have been boating for at
least two years (where most boaters start to get the real feel of performance)
then you may want to give it a try!. -Mark
Subject: Boating Date: Thu, 17 Jul 97 07:58:29 +0000
From: pcozzi <pcozzi@eagle.lhup.edu>
Organization: Lock Haven University
To: Mark-Cameron@worldnet.att.net
Hi I have a boat, we have had it for one year. It is a runaboat with a
80 horsepower engine. Last year it ran great this year it is not getting
the speed it use to. Any advice to get more speed? Thank You! James email
me at jcozzi@hotmail.com
I would recommend using plus octane gas, check your plugs, timing etc.
propellor, and also your carry-ons. Some people tend to collect things
on their boat which wind up weighing things down and reducing your speed.
Last but not least the weather can have a slight effect of a mile and hour
or two, more humid air intaking in the carberator reduces speed and less
humid cooler air (which is a more dense air) will give you maximum performance.
This is what I have noticed over several years in boating, ie. northern
Michigan I run about 42 in 75 degree weather and Columbus, Ohio I max at
about 39 in 90 degree weather on a four cylinder. Good luck and have a
great summer on the water ! -Mark
Subject: 1958 Johnson 18HP SEAHORSE
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 97 22:22:03 +0000
From: rmeyer <rmeyer@inna.net>
To: Mark-Cameron@worldnet.att.net
Hi, My DAD left me his Johnson SeaHorse! It is in near new condition! I
don't plan on running it but, plan on finding a boat from the same time
frame or similar style to match it! I was hoping to find antique outboard
club members on the net. I am hoping you could put me in the right direction.
I am also attempting to find a shop manual on the motor. Any help would
be appreciated.
Chris Meyer
I haven't heard of such a site, but sounds like a good idea. If anyone
can run a copy off for Chris please e-mail him! Most repair shops that
have been around for years and years usually can get access to manuals,
and in some cases you may be able to locate a Chilton's manual at a local
library in a county that has lakes and navigable rivers. -Mark
Subject: SEAMASTER ENGINES
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 97 14:21:52 +0000
From: "R. Danz" <DANZRH@NAVAIR.NAVY.MIL>
To: Mark-Cameron@worldnet.att.net
MARK. I'm looking to buy a 28 Bertram which was repowered with Twin Seamaster
534Ci fords. I don't know anything about that engine except that it is
heavy truck engine. Do you know anything about them and where I might get
parts, manuals etc.... And what should I look for to determine age and
condition. I understand that in the truck application it has a 7.3 to 1
compression ratio. What does that relate to in PSI. I think it is (7.3*14.7)
- 14.7 = 92 psi. The name plate on the engine says 1985. It has a fresh
water cooling system and all brass manifolds and risers. PLease email me
back at DANZRH.NIMITZ@NAVAIR.NAVY.MIL
That compression ratio sounds good for an 8 cylinder, it would be around
9.0 to 1 or higher on a four cyclinder. I would suggest checking the exhaust
manifold for leaks and corrision, if it is a fresh water engine this would
be a proper indicator for corrision. More corrision indicates more running
and or salt water running. Check the plugs, points etc. If possible take
the water pump off where you can peak at the cylinder wall area. If chipping
is noted then engine trouble may be a problem soon. As far as parts and
manuals contact their website at www.bertram.com
. -Mark
Subject: Help!!! Date:
Sun, 15 Jun 97 13:15:46 +0000
From: "Rudish, Charles" <crudish@cambridgeoh.com>
Organization: CP
To: Mark-Cameron@worldnet.att.net
Mark, Maybe you can help. I am about to go up to Toledo to sit for my Inland/Great
Lakes OUPV Master's license. Assuming I get through that, I'll take the
International test, hopefully at the same time. I'm new with this internet
stuff, so I'm not real familure with where to search for this information,
but I am interested in using my license to do boat transfers up and down
the ICWW. Though my license will cover up to nmt 25 gross ton vessels,
I'm not really interested in doing Tug or charter fishing work, I don't
have the experience for that anyway